In these clips from episodes 135 and 136 of Animal Spirits, Michael and Ben discuss Zoom, Uber, coronavirus vaccine efforts, risk management, and returning to normal.

Check out episode 135 to hear Michael and Ben discuss the enormous effort from the science community to find a vaccine, using history as a guide even when every bear market is different, a wild month in the stock market, the coming small business apocalypse, how many people will have trouble with mortgage/rent payments, inequality in the downturn and much more.

In episode 136, Michael and Ben discuss some good news out of NYC, can this ever be over until we have a vaccine, why this is more like a war than a financial crisis, who is getting hurt the worst from job losses, the 4 rules of pandemic economics, the massive response from the Fed, and some stuff to worry about when this is all over.

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